Thats one of the things that attracted me to it is that he would admit something that he had failed, like, I remember one Wednesday night at a midweek service, and he got up and he said how that day he had seen somebody who was, you know, he could tell that they were upset and in need, and he just walked right by the person and totally blew them off. WebSince that time he has ministered on every continent, written more than 40 books, pastored a church for 30 years, and founded a media ministry called Telling the Truth which now broadcasts daily worldwide. Jill and Stuart came to the States from England. And if you dont have a character to lead, no manual is going to help you. and Im going to butcher the title. Well, and that is one aspect of the story that I wanted to explore together because I know that what happened at Willow from my understanding of speaking with Vonda and several victims is that it was far worse, the abuse there and far more pervasive than most people know, and thats one of the frustrations I know of a lot of the victims is that Willow hasnt publicly acknowledged that or publicly said how bad it was. Leave them alone. I can see the elders (more than half of which were women), and people in general saying, It was only a hug. WebIt is with heavy hearts that the Elders of Bent Tree announce that Pete Briscoe has submitted his resignation as Senior Pastor. That to me, is a corruption of the role. How are you? I wasnt throughout the representation. I know about the deleted emails. So appreciate. Well Mitch, one of the things Ive never discussed is that we used to attend Willow Creek. They didnt have the ability to respond to new issues as they arose. I encourage leaders to research their selection criteria carefully before they recruit for their next vacancies. Senior pastors dont need advocates. How do we deal with claims of sexual abuse? Why is it that nobody outside a very small group of women who had no power, really no position, why didnt others come to their rescue? Also, make sure you subscribe to The Roys Report on Apple podcasts or Google podcasts. Ive even friended a few. Pete is the son of Jill and Stuart Briscoe. The other woman that Mitch represented will remain confidential but both these cases enabled Mitch to peek behind the curtain at Willow Creek and view upclose some of the dysfunctions that led to that scandal. Talk to me about how you saw this playing out at Willow Creek. Can you imagine how many books that sold her? There was another documented case where he had oral sex with his assistant back in the 90s at WC. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. Powerful ministry at some points. And he committed sex acts with her. So, you know, Julie, its really its death by 1000 cuts. You know, Hybels daughter had her own book on Oprahs book club. Why did so many look the other way for so long? What Ive told people is, If you are not ready to blow yourself or the organization up in five seconds flat, you need to find a different hobby.. God is doing a new work both in the lives of the Briscoe's and in the life of Bent Tree. Its something like Child Protection Policies. To me, this was one of the beautiful God moves about the entire situation. And if you are not willing to as an organism, or as an organization say, We messed up. You know, Willow creeks pastors family members benefit from the Penumbra of Willow Creek and its just sheer size within evangelicalism. Growing up in a ministry family, Pete watched and learned from his parents and witnessed the reach and power of Telling the Truth 's media outreach. And so I hope your listeners understand what I mean, when I say this, thats how good God is that he can use people who are even morally bankrupt, to bring people to himself. And the thing that is astonishing to me, you used the issue of emotional vulnerability is that, you know, a lot of times our strengths are our weaknesses. That night we had a guest speaker come in for a special presentation. I had no idea what to expect as this lone man stood on the stage. But so far, I havent seen that. I agree, Pastor Bob. That has been documented and proven through therapy notes. Im still waiting for the apology for the public apology for giving. Gifted with wisdom, discernment, and a bit of English humor, the Briscoe's bring God's Word to life. I think one of the ways that Willow tried to reckon with the situation was to permit Bill Hybels to retire from his role at the church. I think he lost it. Its scripturally rooted. Yeah, right. Hes just an affectionate kind of guy. Guest Bios Show Transcript Spiritual abuse has become an increasingly hot topic, as more and more stories of bully pastors and hyper-controlling, Guest Bios Show Transcript After years spent in an abusive church, how do you heal? And I could explain why I think thats funny, but you have to have extreme accountability, the larger your platform gets. But this certainly raises red flags. He has been married to Jill for more than 59 years and has three children and 13 grandchildren. You can read about them at their website Teaching the Truth. The Journal Sentinel reported: Elmbrook resignations are the latest to rock evangelical Christian churches. On this episode of The Roys Report, Julie explores these important questions with Mitch Little, whos not just an attorney for victims. You know, people like Dee Parsons, Julie Anne Smith, Julia Dahl, and people who I knew would not stop talking about it and would not stop talking about it for months. It took a variety of forms. Pete Briscoe @petebriscoe 12 Dec 2021. Because they, I mean, they had a massive PR machine they had, they hired Mark DeMoss, his firm to come in and try to resolve things from a PR standpoint. What is it was Chicago? I mean, that is just huge. Your browser does not support JavaScript. Much has been written on establishing criteria for board member selection. It is not a building. Now youre a lawyer. And the thing about predators, Bill Hybels included, okay, is they start to do more things in public to condition you to behavior that is inappropriate, and they test their boundaries, to see what they can get away with. I appreciate your taking time again away from your vacation to spend time with us. Pete Briscoe was Senior Pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, TX for nearly 30 years. For more information just go to JudsonU.edu. So, Mitch, how is it that a lawyer from Texas ended up representing victims of sexual harassment at a mega church in Chicago? Im Julie Roys. Thank you so much. So he said something about so and sos clothing. And it turns out there were a lot more women who had been affected by Bill Hybels. I was the senior pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship for nearly 30 years. That is a very fair question. Telling the Truthis the international on-air and online media ministry that distributes the teaching content of uniquely-gifted Bible teachersStuart and Jill Briscoeto help people know Christ and experience Life in all its fullness. And thats what, thats what you end up protecting right? They need accountability. And something else that you mentioned about the board, which I found fascinating was that the Willow Creek board had an awful lot of lawyers on it. It is a collection of people. Stuart Briscoe died on August 3 "of natural causes unexpectedly" according to a tweet from his son, Pete Briscoe. And yet here we see a church thats ostensibly about serving God, and its about proclaiming the gospel and yet this is happening within the church. Today were talking with Pete Briscoe, who served as the senior pastor for nearly three decades at Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, Texas, and now consults with and coaches pastors. Bent Tree is a multi site mega church in the Dallas Fort Worth area thats had its own share of crises over the past several years. If you go back and you look at Bill Hybels books in retrospect, Im amazed at some of the things that are contained in his books that people became okay with. We were talking a little bit about the elder board. I think, as believers, we should be standing for truth, we should not look the other way. Put a skin tag on it or a flesh tag. And not elevated above it. Mike is a dear friend and Im sad this day has come. But it really had the tone has to be set by leadership for a culture of goodness. There are therapy notes to support her story. Pete reminds us that our goal is not to win arguments, but to win people. So Mitch has a very unique perspective. Pete Briscoe, Stuart and Jills youngest son, was a key contributor to the ministrysteaching team from 2003 to 2021. Honestly, without being a part of the Willow family at any time, I saw Bill as the best Christian leader I had encountered, by far. They show up, they sell books. Thats a rhetorical question. Great question. None at all. And I do think theres a spiritual stronghold, I hope and pray that it will be broken in our area. I am with you in this sad place of justified disappointment in the church. And which really makes me sad because theyve had a change in leadership. And I think that Bill Hybels created an advocacy structure around him by having that many lawyers on the board. I just want to say this was not someone who acted on any behavior at our church, but had someone who was in the process of grooming someone else. Jill There were some areas or some some critical times when things could have gone differently, but the elders caved in essence to Bill Hybels. But you had said you had gotten this manual and it was about, you know, basically how to be an elder and how to lead. Pete reminds us that our goal is not to win arguments, but to win people. He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. Im wary of the theatrical, evangelical stars that are so prevalent now. And another womans situation, theyre in an elder board meeting, and Bill Hybels, you know, has his hand on a womans leg, and no one else can see. And its not something you can control like traditional mainstream media. And so when you know from the pulpit, that might be a strength. 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