It is not financially viable. I cannot imagine the level of reverse engineering to get everything to work. Fettled M135i EB AT - gone but not forgotten: N55 Engine / Drivetrain / Exhaust / Bolt-ons / Tuning. Read up on the N20 timing chain failures; one of the worst engines ever designed, IMO. Car is a manual, would have been even better to have a B58 DCT! Items for everyone including white elephants. Before we begin, I have an F31 Touring, which was only offered in the US with the N20/N26, B48 or N47. . 1. Obviously that is an impossibility and we should do our best to prevent any further misinformation from spreading. Bimmerpost Model Selection. But I don't know if that exists yet, and many if not most features in the car would work after besides the engine. I wouldnt call this a swap as you cant just swap the engine. Allows for less friction for a quicker revving engine at the cost of cylinder strength. Whoever owns this car is my hero. Great to know about the Pure transmissions. I think the fact that the OP hasn't said anything shows a lot. E90 / E91 / E92 / E93Model Year: 2006 - 2011. That's wild! Id entertain the science of installing a B58 engine into a 2010 e61 535xi wagon (N54 engine). Come join the discussion about Bimmerfest events, production numbers, programming, performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! So even inner wheel arches on a chassis that looked identical from the outside is different between the models. Do all of those fixes for 4k and drive the crap out of it. Push the connector into the new socket housing as far as you can with your fingers. But I support this swap 10000%. Everything should bolt up to the 435 correct? Sum of all the parts worth way more than what a used 335i is worth. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, Former Technician // E90 335D // G20 330i, BMW Lvl 1 Master Technician, HV Specialist, Gen 5 Certified. A. Autoputzer 160 Replies. Which body would work the best for swapping the B58 into. Drives: 2011 LCI 320i. The 340i downpipe is machined from SS304 aircraft-grade stainless steel and are tig welded in hous Expecting to get a typical response to this question like "Just buy a 335i" but I digress. 2. BMW 1 Series Coupe Forum / 1 Series Convertible Forum (1M / tii / 135i / 128i / Coupe / Cabrio / Hatchback) (BMW E82 E88 128i 130i 135i), 135i Turbo Engine (N54 / N55), Exhaust and Drivetrain Modifications, https://view.imirus.com/290/document/13379/page/28. E46Model Year: 2000 - 2006. 4. 4. There's really no reason to put a B58 in an E9X car. Is the 335i and 328i E92 BMW different at all other than the engine it comes with? A B58 with a DCT is what I always wanted the M2 to be. Laverne: '18 F80 Base 6MT | Paul's E85 | Stock Turbos | Kies Hub | FBOs | 7sec 60-130 | 11.7@124 (Sold in Feb). Different transmission and differential. E90 / E92Model Year: 2007 - 2013. An S55 swap would definitely be an interesting one! Content on bimmerfest.com is generated by its users. Such a better motor than the N55. By the time you're done, you prolly could buy a 335 twice over. Posts. Sure, it'll fit dimension-wise but you'll have to retrofit so much to make it work and communicate properly with everything. The B58's smaller bore allows the engine to be shorter in overall length resulting in a stronger crankshaft, and the considerably longer stroke means longer connecting rods for reduced friction. High capacity 5 1/2" deep front sump design with side kick outs for maximum oil capacity 1/2" thick CNC machined 6061 Billet Aluminum Flange and back plate Machined gasket surface to ensure no gasket leaks Rigid design like the OEM GM pan to ensure maximum strength and durability Is it worth it? This thread was never updated, but was perhaps updated on social media elsewhere: so has anyone successfully swapped a B58 into an F30 which was previously an N20 ? F40Model Year: . so i want to do an engine swap and get the b58 on my 428i! Its not worth it at all. Contact: Lester Manwiller - 610-823-4656; hamburgswapmeet@ontelaunneeaaca.com. Can pwg parts be swapped over to ewg engine, Cts turbo xdrive lowering spring set **new product**, New here! shouldn't be too bad considering that the B58 sits on the F chassis, B58 block is pretty similar to the S58. Possible, but as others have said. It may not display this or other websites correctly. You'd need some aftermarket mods as well. Welcome to N54Tuning, your one stop shop for all your BMW Tuning and BMW Performance Modifications for the N54, N55, N20, N26, S55, B58/B48 and other BMW platforms! This motor is very easy to remove,,,plenty of room in the engine compartment,,,,,hopefully I can do the job in the aloud factory time limit of 16 hour,,,,,today of 6 hours of work,,,,I removed the engine and trans,,,removed the old engine,,,swapped over the new engine,,,,and swapped over the intake manifold,alternator,a/c compressor and starter I don't have either ATM. Ordinary person who buys bit by bit first either through dealer or outsourcing was something like $15k plus more like $20k. That's pretty cool. If you like the e9x, but an n54 version thats been a victim of rod bearing failure or turbos that need replacing. Mind you once you are done you will probably need preventative replacement parts on the engine that you have sourced second hand and that's several k more to bring it to 'new' condition. Silly question, but is this a comparable upgrade to the likes of the new pure drivetrain solutions 8hp50 transmission? VS - Wilwood Drag Brake Kit E90 E91 E92 E93 E82. Drives: '20 . I also saw someone with a 2015 320xi pre-lci manage to have a B58 swapped into his F30. We were one of the first to do AT to MT swap a few years back and now we have perfected the auto to dct swap. E90 / E91 / E92 / E93Model Year: 2006 - 2011. B58 done right is a much better power-plant. In Roundel magazine July 2020, Alex McCulloch writes, "An engine swap is not for the faint of heart" and also says, " the last 10% [of the swap] can be 90% of the heartache". I would reach out to them as a resource, they'll probably be ablee to provide some insight into the process, even if they worked with an S55 rather than a B58. How does it's Crank Hub do compared to the S55? Try and keep the blade of the screwdriver on the rubber insulation while pushing to avoid puncturing the wires. Availability: "Due to the overwhelming popularity of our oil pans we are doing our best to keep up with the orders. For these guys it wasnt challenging, also my car was fourth or fifth with swapped engine, which made by their hands). E90 / E91 / E92 / E93Model Year: 2006 - 2011. I wouldn't call this a "swap" as you can't just swap the engine. F30POST > Technical Forums > N20, N26, B46, B48 Turbo Engine / Drivetrain / Exhaust Modifications > N55/B58 swap into N20 Touring. The whole powertrain system and electronics will need to be modified, this is a complete custom change. You must log in or register to reply here. I'd sooner swap a boat anchor instead of the N20, there're about worth the same. I have personally witnessed a 318i transformed into a 325i on an e46 chassis and my gosh there are so many differences from brakes, suspension, diff, engine, tranny, electronics, cluster, steering update, seats, even rear parcel shelf where rear speakers sit is different material, wiring, interior bits and pieces. I guess that is kinda what I'm asking. On the first time I couldnt decide about which engine I want. VS - Upgraded Fuel Line 6AN E-Chassis F-Chassis. Rep. 19. That doesn't sound right. I feel like it would have been cheaper to get a Supra and then dump a few upgrades but very excited to see how this goes if you ever find more info on it! N20, N26, B46, B48 Turbo Engine / Drivetrain / Exhaust Modifications, https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh.php?t=1548060. Of the eight BMWs I had, the M3 was my least favorite. I cannot imagine the level of reverse engineering to get . 1 Reply More posts you may like The B58 has not bested the N54. So the swap itself isn't really worth it in your opinion? With a standalone engine management system that is B58 capable, sure. Read up on the N20 timing chain failures; one of the worst engines ever designed, IMO. G22Model Year: 2020 + Obviously that is an impossibility and we should do our best to prevent any further misinformation from spreading. I am intrigued to see a DCT equipped S58. N55, S55, B58 none of them have dethroned the king, There are a few threads in this forum showing n54s with no meth just FBO e85 mix with inlets that are hitting over 500whp, S55 did, but its in a different price bracket lol, N54 Turbo Engine / Drivetrain / Exhaust Modifications - 335i, http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho1213066&page=4. E-Chassis DCT Swap $6,500.00 Tax included. 5. If youre dead set on an e90 find a late model with one already in it. As we all know, the N54 is the german equivalent of the 2JZ. You can't swap in a b58 into anything older due to how bmw changed communication lines/data bus lines. B58 M2 is the perfect combo IMO. Nikasil coating on the cylinder walls. 08-12-2021, 12:16 PM. M5. New Member. i saw a lot of e46 engine swap on internet. 4. Drives: 2011 LCI 320i. I think SC_B5X was pushing around 650whp? Hi guys, after an M5 F10 full swap been done, just got an B58 of an 140i ready to swap. I thought about s55 firstly, but lots of guys said that it would be much harder to install and tuning will cost more too. I know that B58 has a better intercooler and overall engine cooling, which allows it to make more efficient power. F90Model Year: 2018 + Previous Generations; . Thread Tools: Search this Thread 01-05-2018, 06:57 AM #1: billabum. The "Stuck-in-Comfort" mode issue should be now fixed for all cars. I have done this conversion on my own e91 320 lci since finding an lci e91 n54 proved very difficult and I find non lci rather dated in comparison. Refreshments available. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. Does anyone know if you can put a BMW B58 engine into a 2011-2013 BMW 335i coupe (N55 engine), Also curious if this would work for the 2007-2011 335i coupe. Are you saying that the cylinder walls are bare aluminum? $1,601.00. F40Model Year: 2019 + Previous Generations; F20 / F21Model Year: 2012 - 2018. ! Low-end torque SUCKED, so it felt bog slow at low revs. You really might as well buy a 135i or an M140i from the get-go. The main candidate for an engine swap is the B58 powerplant. Post Reply Thread Tools: Search this Thread 07-26-2020, 12:19 AM #1: hon2bmw . the new b58 engine is more lighter, it is a straight six engine, the torque are better than s65. Funny that I should stumble on this thread . Its way better and stiffer than the f30, You're talking $10,000 on the swap alone! E46Model Year: 2000 - 2006. Once the car was completed, we took it for a test and then took an original 325i for a test. I'm not sure if I missed it, but is the B58 closed deck? I had been thinking about swap since October, but made it in March. We have tons of content for the N55, and we're always adding more. It was a post on the M2 page on Facebook. Question was mostly for my curiosity to determine if it's something I'd want to do down the line maybe. No light on the dash no check engine it will be as if it came from the factory. Ok saying that the N54 is german 2jz is wrong as the 2JZ-GTE is actually German LOL. Although cost is higher you'll be getting a new built transmission and not a used one. 95C9EB54-ACFF-4E23-AD5D-8C082172A175.jpeg. What do you mean it's bot sleeved? I suppose as long as you're starting with a bare bones skeleton e92, frame only, you might be able to Frankenstein one together? This would be a very cool swap but doesn't seem worth it at all. They said that its harder to install in pre lci f30 with n20, how they did, cause of big difference between pre lci and lci in electronic system. Dorch products are well-known when it comes to N55 fueling solutions. At least one of them has to be your style. Regular price $49.95 View. He must be an electronics genius to make every system on the car work as stock with that swap B58. You have to run Meth to break 400whp, correct? From $586.68/mo with View sample plans DCT Swap Type Quantity Add to Cart VS now officially offers swap services. Why walk up a mountain when you dont have to? Mine was a 6-speed. . Also I made a choice with b58, because I thought in that time that with supra release tuners would pay much more attention for this platform. Automotive flea market with over 100 indoor vendor spaces and unlimited outdoor spaces and car corral. Just buy a 335? I replaced it with an M3 (e90). any swap is possible with enough money, the question is : is it worth it? F30 335i xDrive PWG - MPPK Flash, Got a new motor and the hpfp is different, To become a vendor visit: https://bit.ly/ss-vendor-apply. E90/E91/E92/E93 (2006 - 2013) E39 (1997 - 2003) E46 (1999 - 2006) E36 (1991 - 1999) E60 / E61 (2004 - 2010) Top Contributors this Month View All shawnsheridan 428 Replies. Provided you can get traction, it would chomp a lot of cars. There is a guy on IG with an F31 who just sourced 440i B58 motor and will be doing the swap in next few months. Now this is interesting. I wonder how difficult the swap is, considered it when I had mine. EDIT: Why not just go with the n54, do a full engine out service and get it working like new again with some aftermarket turbos? 4 doors is 2 doors too many. Cool idea. A. Adalbert_77 292 Replies. Any challenges you had because the 320 body? Posts. Depending on the specific model you're looking at, power output ranges from 302hp and 295lb-ft ll the way up to 365hp and 369lb-ft. B58 In an E39 Is it possible? It has a much higher spec interior, suspension and brakes. The stage 1 kit comes in at $1,199 and is able to support roughly 550whp. There will be a problem with the driveshafts, from which they will fit, the transfer case itself also differs in the year of manufacture, despite the same model ACL35, perhaps something else will go crooked)). We in North America do not know the E87 nor the N46 so we likely can't be of much help. G22Model Year: 2020 + Previous Generations; F32 / F33Model Year: 2013 - 2019. Saw this post linked from the 6MT trans limit discussion. I'm not dead set on an E90, I'm dead set on a E92, E90 - has 4 doors E92 - has 2 doors E93 - convertible. So if everything is stock, I'd bet on the B58 over the N54/N55. Guys spent 3 weeks for making complete result. N55 engine swap into E36 BMW cheap and easy DIY - YouTube 0:00 / 1:29:01 N55 engine swap into E36 BMW cheap and easy DIY HakenE30 1.38K subscribers Subscribe 757 Share Save 31K views 1 year. A forum community dedicated to BMW owners and enthusiasts. B58 swap out questions. G22Model Year: 2020 + Previous Generations; F32 / F33Model Year: 2013 - 2019. Heh, i'm assuming they immediately tuned it, but for a brief second this was probably an engine swap car with the new engine making less power than the original one. Regular price $140 View. Do you have any videos on youtube? A friend of mine I chat with down at rk tunes sent this screenshot to me after it was sent to him. I found a complete B58 engine with ancillaries for a very decent price and due to the reason that my car has 250.000 Km (150.000 miles), Everything is starting to . I do love the M240i but a 335i E92 has been my dream car for yeeaaarrss. VS - HeadPort Plugging Kit N54 N55 S55 B58. M markusmarkus Registered 2018 M240i Joined Jul 22, 2008 On top of that because it's a closed deck the cylinder walls aremy as well cooled as the N54 and that will only expedite the failure. M4. 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