Alaska's Missing Planes and People. "In his mind there were good girls and bad girls.". Then on the night, and when this I guess, really began, uh, I met her up town after, well, on the Saturday, CINDY:(Inaudible) gave the gentleman my telephone number and asked him to call me. He used it to stab her in the back, he said. And he was very kind and giving as an actor, as well as John. If his social life hadnt been bad enough, he never could find much solace at home, either. And it may not even be in there. Like a little Datsun station wagon. The many other women who fell into Hansen's grasp were flown into the alaskan wilderness, near the Knik River, where Hansen had a cabin. Paulson told Flothe in her interview, which is published in full on Leland Hale's website, the man who wrote Butcher, Baker: The True Account of an Alaskan Serial Killer: CINDY: He just said,. FLOTHE: How about the glasses? He joined the ADN in 2004. Hansen likely would have continued to kill and escape justice if one of his intended victims hadn't escaped. In a police interview after Paulson's escape, she told him she got the feeling other people may live in the house. FLOTHE: When you drove up to the house did you see any other cars there at the time? FLOTHE: And did you pick an individual out that was She gave me an extremely solid foundation and told me her earliest memories that she had until where she is to this day. We all have the same needs. *Though its not super graphic or bloody, this article does contain a couple of images of the killer posing with hunted game animals. Hes got like frog warts on his face. All throughout the mid seventies and even into the eighties Robert carried on with his hobby of abducting and murdering women, and there's no telling how much longer he would've lasted had he not decided to attack a 17 year old girl by the name of Cindy Paulson in June of '83. CINDY: Yes, its real Hell yeah, Im bothered by it. "My gosh, she is running naked and in handcuffs on the streets of Anchorage scared to death," Rothschild recalled of the scene. And I said, Fine, no problem.. The serial killer wasnt even on the suspect list anymore, hed been completely cleared. OK, well he was taking me from being downstairs to the airport, to go get in his plane, the seat was not in the back seat, it was in the trunk, cause he kept going from the trunk carrying things to fit in the airplane. It had a long barrel. CINDY: I believe it was on a Friday and I gave him my telephone number and he called me on a Saturday. Facebook gives people the power to. 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So he felt he should go and get the girl and take her over to his house. There, he held her captive and proceeded to rape and torture her. I personally loved it. FLOTHE: Like this? Have you heard anything about a sequel to Journey 2 The Mysterious Island? "As far as Hansen is concerned, this world is better without him." Your email address will not be published. CINDY: Yes. CINDY: I think he gave me a five. You rarely see mention of them, other than the fact that they existed, and I read through multiple articles before I even spotted Mrs. Hansens first name. It was a red scar Hudgens: Nothing that I want to talk about quite yet. Hansens Den (Alaska State Troopers) CINDY: Um hmm. CINDY: The garage was opened. And the reality of it is were all human. He doesnt mess around. You know, I was supposed to meet him. 10,285 views Aug 26, 2013 In an up close interview, former Disney sweetheart Vanessa Hudgens shares her admiration towards serial killer Robert Hansen's surviving victim Cindy Paulson .more. And do what he pleased with her. Covering the hottest movie and TV topics that fans want. Maybe they were different frames. One night she picked up a small, skinny client with a pock-marked face who wore glasses and spoke with a stutter. Hansen would kidnap the women at gunpoint, tie them up, then fly to remote areas to kill them. or debate this issue live on our message boards. CINDY: Uh huh. They searched his plane, home and car and found he had some items, including jewelry, that had belonged to the women. CINDY: Yep. Im sorry that these photos needed to be included, but we really cant discuss this particular serial killer without speaking of hunting. CINDY: Uh huh. Here for the first time are the tape recordings that document that rendezvous. So, just the fact that I put myself in this situation, in this character, to go through these emotions and make myself feel all that I felt is an interesting thing psychology-wise. (pause) Hansen later became one of the first prisoners at the newly opened Spring Creek Correctional Center, where he had remained until this year. Your email address will not be published. After he was released from prison, Robert decided that he needed to get as far away from Iowa as possible, so he moved near Anchorage, Alaska. FLOTHE: Did he give you change? It was super fun and really quick. People either loved it or they hated it. FLOTHE: So, youre in the car and he pulls a gun out and he handcuffs you. CINDY: The Buick car, inside the garage. In 1984 this serial was sentenced to 461 years, a ridiculous amount of years to ensure that he would never be released again. 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This led to her becoming known by many as 'Horseshoe Harriet' within the state's medical examiner's office. We all have the same needs. The woman, who was. CINDY: I could say the time but it may not be the correct one. Being authentic creates the space for diversity of thought and means drawing on experiences that fall outside the box. FLOTHE: And when did you hear from him again? FLOTHE: About how long did you have contact with him on Friday? Hudgens: I thought it was pretty spot on. They pushed me every day to get reactions out of me on the camera that I wouldnt have done if it wasnt for them taking me to those places. CINDY: Yes, directly. As part of his plea deal, Hansen agreed to help authorities find the graves of the murdered women. FLOTHE: And then he contacted you on Saturday. Later the girl stated that she had immediately known that those seven other women had been murdered, and she was very determined not to become number eight! Her eventual getaway was central to Hansen's ultimate capture and confession to the murder of dozens of women. Purchase Butcher, Baker, Your email address will not be published. FLOTHE: How did you know that? Hudgens: Thats always been the goal. If hed just murdered those women, they couldnt have turned him in, and he wouldnt have been in trouble not committing violent crimes was never an option. He was also an avid hunter. In this installment, Cindy talks about and proves her observational powers, in this case related to Robert Hansens house on Old Harbor Road. And I was just running. Hudgens: I wanted her to be a normal teenage girl. This actually wasnt an uncommon thing for parents to do during this time period, plenty of us lefties in past generations were forced to conform, but apparently this deeply scarred this young man. "We nabbed him before he could do any damage to anyone.". CINDY: Theres no trees in the front yard. CINDY: I believe it was right there right across from the Sheraton on Fifth and Denali. Robert thoroughly enjoyed hunting humans; these ladies were savagely murdered with his favorite weapons: a Ruger Mini-14 and a hunting knife. It had never crossed her mind. * I would like to talk about Roberts wife, Darla, and their two children for a minute. Im not correct on the times, OK? All rights reserved. He was a natural leftie, but forced to become right handed. When he reached the Glenn Highway, he kept driving. He confessed to sometimes releasing the women in the woods in order to stalk and hunt them before the murders. The FBI had been spot on about everything. Once inside, Hansen pulled a gun on her and placed her in handcuffs. Eventually his buddys conscience got the better of him, and he confessed his crimes to the police; for his role, Robert was sentenced to three years incarceration. Survivor Cindy, who is a married mother of three today. CINDY: Um hmm. FLOTHE: Turning the tape off at 8:34 pm. He was right to worry, state officials later said. I was kinda trippin I really thought (inaudible) 17-year-old Cindy Paulson ran away from Hansen in 1983 as he was trying to load her into his plane and "take her out to his cabin," presumably a euphemism for the vacant Alaskan wilderness where he gunned down his victims. FLOTHE: Did you get into his car, or did he just get out or what? FLOTHE: The same car as on Friday? He often found his victims among topless dancers and prostitutes in downtown Anchorage. On the floor instead there was an airplane seat. John A. Paulson founded Paulson & Co., an investment management firm based in New York. But he had brown socks on. If you do exactly what I tell you and don't give me any problem whatsoever, there's going to be no -- you won't get hurt in any way, shape or form," Hansen told troopers, according to news accounts at the time. FLOTHE: What was he driving then, Sunday night? I play Cereza which means Cherry in Spanish which says a lot about the character. FLOTHE: At this time, so I know what youre talking about, cause I have not been in the house, Cindy "When you kill that many women there's a good chance you may have killed some convict's girlfriend," said Bob Spinde, who was in charge of prisoner records. This looks black but its actually blue. Thats what it takes for teams to bring their best selves to work every day.. Hansen confessed to authorities that he had killed 17. FLOTHE: Two hundred dollars is a lot of money And he had called me and I slept through it. Did he only do a few takes or did he do as many as he felt he needed? FLOTHE: You drove past the house? CINDY: Uh huh. Its likely that it was around this time that the rapist decided that hed no longer leave behind any victims who could turn him in to the police, and that he would dispose of these women in the best way he knew how. I just want to do everything. The infamous Special Agent John Douglas took a look at the case, and he informed the trooper that his perpetrator would likely have a stutter! CINDY: Well, I didnt. FLOTHE: Youre trying to get out? Dont worry. The story of Hanson eluding police and his eventual capture became the subject of a 2013 movie, "Frozen Ground," starring John Cusack as the killer and Nicholas Cage as an Alaska state trooper. On June 13, 1983, Hansen offered 17-year-old Cindy Paulson $200 to perform oral sex; when she got into the car, he pulled out a gun and drove her to his home in Muldoon. CINDY: Uh huh. And he suggested that we could go to his place. Way down on the floor. CINDY: In jeans. The stuffed heads of the animals which hed killed lined his walls, and damming items such as unique jewelry pieces which could easily be linked back to many of the missing women were found within the home as well. I actually shot that before I filmed this (The Frozen Ground) interestingly enough. Lemon Creek Superintendent Dan Carothers called it "the bust of the decade" for Alaska prison officials. (pause) When did you first see this man, Cindy? FLOTHE: Oh and you saw a sign that said Dead End? Then he had got my other hand cuffed, I dont know how he did it, it was just frightening, cause I didnt really I fought, but not a lot, cause I knew he would do something. It turned into a cat and mouse chase. And brown socks. And, getting to that point, its so powerful, she says. FLOTHE: The same person. FLOTHE: Or did he give you any money? He seemed really like a pretty good guy. Donations & Patreon membership will go towards keeping this site running. Same with the two sexual assaults; I have an arrest date of December 1971, but as for the date of the crimes or whether he was arrested for both at the same time (which I assume to be the case) is unclear. After hed heard what Cindy had to say, Glenn knew a few things to be true. CINDY: And then after I looked I recognized him. FLOTHE: Now you mentioned this airplane seat. Uh, FR: Would it have been during the time when your wife and children were out of. CINDY: Yep. FLOTHE: Would you draw me a diagram of the house and Ill turn the tape off just for a minute while youre doing that. Hansen landed in a federal prison in Pennsylvania but didn't get along with other inmates.He served time in Minnesota before returning to Alaska in May 1988, corrections officials said at the time. Instead he would immediately force her to board his small bush plane, and hed fly her out to a desolate area near Knik River where he would sexually assault her in a little shack which hed occupied there. I think hes such an incredible filmmaker. Its way down on the bottom. FLOTHE: Did he seem pretty sincere about wanting to get with you? CINDY: Yep. Does he tell you anything at that point, once hes got the handcuffs on The Butcher Baker Minisode. The only thing which he ever seemed to truly succeed in, the one thing which others commended him for, were his exceptional hunting skills. What made you want to do it? Even though we were filming something that was so heavy and tough to come to work for every day, he had this enthusiasm and energy about him that was just so upbeat and lighthearted, so that even though it was serious, you felt excited and safe. What did you learn about yourself in the process of making this film? OK, that wasnt even back there. Often the family of these killers catch a ton of hell from the public, how could they possibly share their lives with a monster and not know it? Required fields are marked *. Feb 12, 2023. Do not sell or share my personal information. The date on her grave marker is April 24, 1984, one day off the date the body was found. CINDY: I dont think so. FLOTHE: OK. FLOTHE: What did he ask you? And, um, he took me to his house on Old Harbor Road in Muldoon. CINDY: (interrupting) It was an older car. Lets touch on this serials background for a minute, because thats important when looking at a killer. CINDY: Uh huh. FLOTHE: If you can move your hand away from your face a little bit I want to make sure we get it on the tape recorder, OK? Murder in Alaska: Teen Killers In The 80s, Arrest of Robert Hansen: Nothing But the Truth, Sort Of, Darla Hansen: The Better Half of Robert Hansen, Hansen's Past Warranted Property Search - Butcher Baker, A Killer's Turning Point, Badly Missed - Butcher Baker. Her name is Cindy Paulson. FLOTHE: OK. Where were you at when you saw him on a Friday? FLOTHE: Um hmm. She would, of course, run like hell for her life, but the killer would track her down. He had been transferred to the hospital on Wednesday. Like many killers he targeted transient women, they were often exotic dancers and sex workers; after hed charmed the woman of his choice and done his best to convince her of his harmlessness, Robert would talk her into leaving with him. Cindy reveals that Hansen flashed some bills at her and that she was entranced by the thought of his money. *EDIT * Cindy did not escape from the plane, she hopped out of his car. Your email address will not be published. There was also a collection of newspaper articles about the killer and his missing victims, and a map with little X marks all over it which indicated where hed dumped his victims. CINDY: It wasnt painted. Couple find note in chimney that reveals their 290,000 house was 100 times cheaper 50 years ago. Your email address will not be published. Glenn Flothe. As soon as he was of age Robert joined the Army reserves and moved to another town where he found himself a wife, but he was still treated badly. Just his whole work ethic I found fascinating, so I jumped at the opportunity to be able to do something with him. CINDY: He approached me. Hudgens: That was great. CINDY: Hey, for a blowjob in the car, hell yeah. My wife and family were down in Arkansas visiting her folks places and, um, I had met her the first time up town. FLOTHE: So if youre unsure about something (Cindy coughs) just tell me, all right? I know I have support from leadership and throughout, and thats a great feeling., As the executive sponsor of BCs employee network group for women, Cindy worked to amplify the Balance and Belonging culture and framework internally and externally across an industry with historical nature of the industry being male dominated. I really respect that. FLOTHE: Would you recognize this metal seat if you saw it again, do you think? And that, um, I was lucky because usually the other ones stayed a week. Ever since I was young, I wanted to be in a role where I could play a prostitute or a drug addict, because its nice to be able to portray someone who is so far from you, which I love. FLOTHE: I wanna show you six pictures, Cindy, and the person that were talking about may or may not be in here. CINDY: Uh huh. I guess Im superstitious, so I dont like talking about things until they happen, but there are a few things in the works. And so I gave him my telephone number And he was going To be frank, honest, I was asking him for change for a cigarette machine. The security guard at that time Still, he couldve taken a life before he was busted, who knows? Can you tell us how that all came about? Hansen later told investigators that his first kill involved a woman he assumed to be a topless dancer or prostitute. I looked in the back, OK, there was like a you know how seats in front have covers theyre metal? Vanessa Hudgens turns in a surprisingly raw and emotionally powerful performance in Scott Walker's suspenseful thriller, The Frozen Ground, as 17-year-old street hooker Cindy Paulson, one of. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Copyright 2023 Butcher Baker Primer WordPress theme by. It is so nice when you dont have to build a character from the ground up by yourself. FLOTHE: How did you know this? CINDY: It was about maybe four in the morning, three-thirty in the morning. Im not going to help you do that, all right? Now her body has been exhumed from from the cemetery at Anchorage Memorial Park with the hope that DNA testing and facial reconstruction will lead to her being identified. FLOTHE: OK. 37 Cindy Paulson Photos and Premium High Res Pictures - Getty Images CREATIVE Collections Project #ShowUs Creative Insights EDITORIAL VIDEO BBC Motion Gallery NBC News Archives MUSIC BLOG BROWSE PRICING ENTERPRISE VisualGPS INSIGHTS BOARDS CART SIGN IN Images Images Creative Editorial Video Creative Editorial FILTERS CREATIVE EDITORIAL VIDEO This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Youve taken on some very interesting, challenging roles lately in different genres like this film and also Gimme Shelter. Did he have a moustache, Cindy? I said, no, we can go to my place. He said, no, he didnt want to. He remains active in the markets. Hansen said that victim is the woman known to police as Eklutna Annie, a roughly 20-year-old brunette whose body was discovered in 1980 by electric workers repairing a power line outside Eagle River. The remains of an unidentified victim of an Alaskan serial killer who hunted down his victims as if they were game have been exhumed in a bid to establish who she was. You can listen to the podcast of this interview here. Identifying and finding Hansen's weapon cache would prove essential to making the murder case against the " Butcher, Baker ." She also discussed her fun cameo in Machete Kills and her upcoming films, Gimme Shelter and The Kitchen Sink. CINDY: He just drove by. We must step back and reflect to see new opportunities for growth. He had rolled the window down and I opened the door and I sat down and I talked to him. FLOTHE: Can you describe it a little bit more to me? The killer had been in declining health for the past year, the department said. CINDY: Uh huh. FLOTHE: So it had a longer barrel than Process Intensification with BC:Ntensify, Technology and Innovation Leadership Team, Brown and Caldwell looks to the future of 75 years and counting, Black History Month and Engineers Week: Why I became an engineer. I feel like women have an easier time separating from their characters than men do, honestly. "On this day we should only remember his many victims and all of their families, and my heart goes out to all of them," said Glenn Flothe, a retired Alaska state trooper who was instrumental in Hansen's 1984 capture. FLOTHE: Were the handcuffs tight? Her circumstances were different and not ideal for most, but that was just her current state. And hes short. FLOTHE: Was there anybody with him on Friday? Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. He would abduct the women and take them to remote places outside the city, sometimes driving them and other times he would fly his private plane. Roberts father, an overbearing man who never did care to have a decent relationship with his son, expected young Robert to be busy at work in the familys bakery whenever he wasnt in school. He said cause he used to work on the slopes and that he would come down and spend money for a girl and go to her room for ten or fifteen minutes. It was funny though, cause before, when he was getting ready to take me to his cabin, he said that, um, there had been seven other girls before me. Glenn took what the FBI had said along with Cindys account of what Robert had done to her, and he obtained a search warrant for his suspects dwelling. When Hansen drove up to Paulson and propositioned her, she agreed to get into his car. CINDY: Im positive. FLOTHE: And about what time was that? See if theres anyone in here that you might recognize. RH: Yes. He is just so punctual, and he always knows his lines, and hes there to get the job done. Looking at picture number five, is there anything different about him as you saw him, compared to the picture, Robert Hansen Police Lineup Photo By the time hed caught up, Cindy had flagged down a passing motorist; this good samaritan drove the teen to a nearby hotel room, and he promptly notified the Alaskan police. to start my podcast and YouTube channel. Im just following my gut, and if its speaking to me, then Im doing it. Thats another character that I dove very deeply into. Too often, Robert Hansen was believed instead of the women, many of them dancers or prostitutes, who testified against him. Eventually Robert did admit to having raped dozens, but would only confess to the murder of 17; he even lead police to the shallow graves of twelve more corpses. Employee-owned firm continues pioneering legacy of technical excellence, innovation, and talent growth, Brown and Caldwell engineers share their inspirational stories. FLOTHE: Hmm. To the left is the basement. All throughout the mid seventies and even into the eighties Robert carried on with his hobby of abducting and murdering women, and theres no telling how much longer he wouldve lasted had he not decided to attack a 17 year old girl by the name of Cindy Paulson in June of 83. He was convicted of just four of the murders in a deal that spared him having to go to trial 17 times. FLOTHE: Youre positive. FLOTHE: Like a station wagon? FLOTHE: An older car. For the life of me, i cant see any reason why the state of Alaska, or anyone would keep robert Hansen alive after his conviction Why would you keep a monster like this alive and have the peoples tax money feed such an animal for years.. Cant wrap my head around it.. Alaska does not have the death penalty and has never had it (since Statehood). CINDY: Yeah, but then again one seat looks the same. Laurel Andrews was a reporter for the Anchorage Daily News, Alaska Dispatch News and Alaska Dispatch. FLOTHE: Do you remember how he was dressed on Sunday? She Gets rescued By an patrol Officer. CINDY: Yep. I mean, bills, or did he just give you the change? So it was nice to kind of test my own mental and physical strength. Robert chased after his intended victim, but it was no use. John Paulson. I operated behind a work persona. Can you describe that again to me, Cindy? This is Sunday night or early Monday morning? 10 Underrated Thrillers That Are Destined To Become Cult Classics, 10 Best Movies Trilogies Ranked From 'Spider-Man' to 'The Lord of the Rings', This Spielberg Movie Only Made a $1 Box Office Profit. Brown and Caldwell's former Chief Technical Officer Cindy Paulson understands that for Balance and Belonging to thrive, employees need to be who they truly are. And, getting to that point, "it's so powerful," she says. CINDY: They were a dark brown. A mousy, seemingly easy-natured family man, Hansen admitted to killing 17 woman and raping another 30 over a dozen years in the 1970s and 1980s. Okay, she was standing there and I was driving down the street and she waved a little bit and so forth and I pulled up there and talked with her. Uh huh. "Good riddance to him.". And that he had to work and he couldnt do it then. I wanted her to be like a real human being because its easy to label someone whos stuck in that circumstance. Anchorage's jail is one of the state's only correctional facilities with a medical unit. FLOTHE: What was your phone number at that time? CINDY: About ten minutes. She'd noticed women's clothes, toys, and dogs wandering around, according to. When I read it, I saw it as a character development project, but seeing it overall pulled it all in together. 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